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Old 04-30-2017, 09:04 AM   #61
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Beaver is discharging now .
Beaver is over floodstage (1130), and they are beginning to let some into TRL. The 946 is TRL under the Beaver dam.

As reported way up yonder somewhere, Bull Shoals had a huge cushion, the only one of the three that did.

It has come up 10' m/l,

28APR2017 2200 665.74
30APR2017 0900 675.21

Top Flood Pool: 695.0

reducing that cushion from 30 feet to 20 feet. So, in two or three days, it will be at flood stage. (All three will be)


More rain coming.
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Old 04-30-2017, 09:14 AM   #62
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From the above facts as listed it appears that TRL has about 7 feet of room before overtopping the gates?

Is that correct?

And has at least 125,000 coming in the James and King?

I was there for the last huge releases and it was terrible at 100,000.

My concern is that there is no way TRL can hold this water and in fact the emergency spillway will have to be opened? This is unbelievable. I loved The Landing when I lived there just for the walks and atmosphere etc.

Here in Texas same thing going on as lakes are full and this will be a huge flood event.

5 killed in tornado about 30 miles away from me last night.

After the first flood in 09 I wanted to rehab a house down on the river below TRD. Of course it flooded again and was glad I did not. They tore it down finally but still I looked at property there to rehab. Divorce took that option out but here we are again looking at flooding below the dam. So thankful I did not do that yet so sorry that so many are suffering such huge losses.

West Plains looks very bad to the east of Branson too. Town is under water.

Our need to build along the rivers back in the 1800's has caused untold misery to later generations.
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Old 04-30-2017, 09:22 AM   #63
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Beaver Lake Releases Sunday Morning

http://www.ky3.com/content/news/Corp...420841073.html

ROGERS, Ark. - The U.S. Army Corps of Engineers began a spillway release Sunday morning from Beaver Dam.

The seven spillway gates have been opened six-foot releasing 55,000 cubic feet per second. The lake is forecasted crest at 1,131.5 feet above sea level. Future rainfall may cause the Corps to adjust releases at Beaver Lake.

That will force Table Rock Dam to release anywhere from 40,000-60,000 cubic feet per second.
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Old 04-30-2017, 09:34 AM   #64
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936 is the magic number. From our 2008, 2011, and 2015 episodes, we learned that at that level the catwalk to open the gates is under water. So, it's that catwalk that is the bugaboo.

The emergency spillway would be used to keep it from that level.

It looks like the Beaver release started at 2:00 yesterday after noon and the last two hours is the first it has not gone up:

30APR2017 0900 1131.08
30APR2017 1000 1131.08

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Old 04-30-2017, 09:39 AM   #65
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30APR2017 0700 928.44
30APR2017 0800 928.79
30APR2017 1000 929.53

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Old 04-30-2017, 09:41 AM   #66
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The City of Branson is seeking able bodied volunteers to help with sand bags... filling and stacking.
Volunteers should report to the Branson Community Center on Compton Drive.
Volunteers may report anytime after 10:15.

Chief Martin

UPDATE: Bring shovels! Report to Alderwoman Cris Bohinc at Branson Community Center.

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Old 04-30-2017, 10:36 AM   #67
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when we think we have it figured out
Let me know when that is
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Old 04-30-2017, 10:46 AM   #68
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Let me know when that is
Maybe like Tuesday?


Managing any lake is a hard job. Where do you keep the levels to satisfy everyone involved.

I have to assume that they have a priority list something like//

1. Generation
2. Flood control
3. Minimum Stream flow downstream
4.Recreation
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Old 04-30-2017, 10:53 AM   #69
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NWS Springfield

.LONG TERM...(Monday through Saturday)
Issued at 129 AM CDT Sun Apr 30 2017

The next shortwave riding through a northwesterly flow aloft will
arrive Tuesday night and Wednesday. This system will interact with
front stalled just to our south to bring another round of rain and
some thunder. Rainfall amounts of one to two inches may occur
Tuesday night and Wednesday.


At this point does it really make any difference? Everything is just going to be full longer.
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Old 04-30-2017, 11:03 AM   #70
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That is an amazing amount of water and rise considering every foot up spreads out over more and more land.

100,000 cfs is 18 acres a foot deep per minute. That is crazy numbers. Thanks for the updates.

Is the James and King dropping or maintaining their flows.

The video from Powersite you could see it increase as it ran. That was a huge WOW for any engineer.
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Old 04-30-2017, 11:40 AM   #71
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James: 83700 cfs (increasing)

Kings: 30000 cfs (decreasing)

As if we didn't need another complication, now it is windy.

A lot of docks are unacessible, and were left with loose cables, to keep them from breaking as the water rises more. So, now they are swinging back and forth, with tremendous pressure on cables.

Dockwise, I have no idea what they do with them on Taneycomo, with all that current, when it gets like this.

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Old 04-30-2017, 11:55 AM   #72
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You just cannot allow for every type of event.
If Bottom Power Pool is 880, how does the following make sense leading up to rainy season?

Jan 01 to Apr 30 915
Apr 30 to May 01 915 to 916
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Old 04-30-2017, 01:44 PM   #73
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Dockwise, I have no idea what they do with them on Taneycomo, with all that current, when it gets like this
They are mostly designed for strong current. Heavier, and more numerous cables. Plus most of the docks are not in shallow water coves where they need to be drawn in and out with rise and fall. A lot of them are using steel framed "swing arms", for the lack of a better name. Connected to a heavy concrete anchor post with a large pivot pin. They still have twisted, came apart, and broke loose. Was it 2008, or 2011 that Bas Pro's dock broke loose, and was finally stopped way down lake? I think the same year Fall Creek Marina lost their dock. Broke up, and drifted away. Some of it was behind Monkey Island for some time.
Guess we're gonna find out. Just heard they pulled the stopper out. 50,000 cfs heading for the Landing.
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Guess we're gonna find out. Just heard they pulled the stopper out. 50,000 cfs heading for the Landing.
My latest scoop (2 hours old) is that they are open 49,000 and that the predicted crest is 933-933.5 occurring about noon Monday.
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Old 04-30-2017, 02:24 PM   #75
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936 is the magic number. From our 2008, 2011, and 2015 episodes, we learned that at that level the catwalk to open the gates is under water. So, it's that catwalk that is the bugaboo
Thought that was taken care of. I remember reading that the CoE was seeking bids for work to correct the prpblem.
No more ploitics allowed on 1b, so I guess we can't say why it wasn't if it wasn't
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