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Old 04-28-2017, 03:52 PM   #46
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The following was added to the WATER RESOURCES DEVELOPMENT ACT OF 2016:

AMENDMENT TO THE RULES COMMITTEE PRINT
FOR H.R. 5303
OFFERED BY MR. LONG OF MISSOURI
At the end of title I, insert the following:
1 SEC. ll. TABLE ROCK LAKE, ARKANSAS AND MISSOURI.
2 (a) IN GENERAL.—Notwithstanding any other provi-
3 sion of law, the Secretary—
4 (1) shall include a 60-day public comment pe-
5 riod for a Table Rock Lake Master Plan and Table
6 Rock Lake Shoreline Management Plan revision;
7 and
8 (2) shall not finalize a revision for the Table
9 Rock Lake Master Plan and Table Rock Lake
10 Shoreline Management Plan during the 5-year pe-
11 riod beginning on the date of enactment of this Act.
12 (b) SHORELINE USE PERMITS.—During the period
13 described in subsection (a)(2), the Secretary shall lift or
14 suspend the moratorium on the issuance of new, and modi-
15 fications to existing, shoreline use permits based on the
16 existing Table Rock Lake Master Plan and Table Rock
17 Lake Shoreline Management Plan.
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Old 04-28-2017, 04:33 PM   #47
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The bite's on on my brush piles.

So, now I have the dilemma of keeping a mess for our own edification, or sticking with grass-fed burgers.

(Hmm? If the correct spelling is dilemma, I wonder why google autocompletes it as dilemna, at least for me. )
Fresh crappie fillets or a hamburger?
No question. Here's a hint!
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Old 04-28-2017, 05:17 PM   #48
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Taneycomo evacuations are underway. Possibility of beating the 2015 record.
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Old 04-29-2017, 07:36 AM   #49
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Wow! It's amazing how accurate the forecasters are and how far in advance. Starting at about 11:00 PM, last night was NASTY. Non-stop lightning and heavy rain.

Beaver is 2 1/2 feet from flood stage. It is being held so that if the heaviest rain occurs in the Table Rock basin, dumping Beaver in, too, doesn't elevate the problem.

But, overnight there was 3"-5" throughout the entire Beaver Lake basin, so it's on the rise and will have to be released pretty soon.

TRL 9APR2017 0700 920.27

and it's on the rise, of course, too. Release is 10,000 cfs.

There is a large area of 3"-5" in the TRL basin, mostly Barry County.

Actually, the 3"-5" area stretches from SW to NE, from Fayetteville/Rogers to Rolla, so that's a HUGE amount of water.

The James River at Galena is 15400 cfs, and rising fast.

The Kings River is not a factor, yet, at 4700 cfs.

Branson's in a brief respite right now, with the current rain tracking to the north, but it extends back to New Mexico.
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Old 04-29-2017, 08:54 AM   #50
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James at Springfield is 4 feet over floodstage and will be over floodstage in Galena shortly.
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Old 04-29-2017, 09:25 AM   #51
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Isn't 920 the "magic number" to increase the release at Table Rock above the 10,900 cfs?
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Old 04-29-2017, 10:16 AM   #52
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Flow at Galena now 19,400 cfs . . . just hit floodstage.

Big area of 6"-8" total from Joplin to Tulsa.
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Old 04-29-2017, 11:45 AM   #53
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Weather service is saying the the front developing and moving through the area Joplin to Anderson right now could add 2-3 inches of rain to that area. They're saying this rain will be split between watersheds.

Corps says with the rain on the ground, TR's release is handling what's coming in to Table Rock.

The tone was optimistic that the dams can handle what's coming in unless the front stalls over the watershed and dumps 10 inches of rain on the area which they do not think will happen. It's moving slow but it is moving and trending north a bit.
Just a more optimistic view.
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Old 04-29-2017, 01:02 PM   #54
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"TR's release is handling what's coming in to Table Rock."

Their pants are on fire . . .

Then why's TRL rising a foot every 9 hours?

29APR2017 1300 920.78

Incoming
James: 23,600 cfs
Kings: 5640 cfs
Everywhere else: probably that again (just from our cove )

Discharge
10,000 cfs

dang facts . . . trips you up every time
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Beaver's 2 feet from flood stage right now, so that have to be released soon.
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Did I mention we're screwed?

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Old 04-29-2017, 01:36 PM   #55
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The tone was optimistic that the dams can handle what's coming
Where did they say without rising?
Their calculations are on current rain forcasts. I am sure they plan on Table Rock holding as much as possible before any drastic release into Taneycomo. I do agree they could be releasing more now. Maybe 20K cfs without any significant flooding on Taneycomo. That's why I asked about the 920 level. I thought that is where they would open more gates,
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Old 04-29-2017, 02:13 PM   #56
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7" in our rain gauge today, and still coming down.

James River is now at 24900 cfs.

TRL discharge is still 10000 cfs.

I understand . . . they think TRL can hold it, not that they think that the rise won't be a problem. "We can handle it" translates into "we've got a ways to go yet before we have to flood everything on Taneycomo."

In the meantime, Taneycomo people are being/have been evacuated.

TRL: 29APR2017 1600 921.95

Going up a foot every two hours!!!!!

Beaver Lake is really living on the edge. On the edge of going over. 1 1/2 foot from floodstage.

More rain predicted for next week.

we're screwed

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Old 04-29-2017, 03:58 PM   #57
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TRL: 29APR2017 1600 921.95

[B][COLOR="Red"]Going up a foot every two hours!!!!!

we're screwed
I remember 2011 flood was rising at 3"/hour...well, that ain't nothing compared to this.

10-4 on the screwed.

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Old 04-29-2017, 05:38 PM   #58
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I just read online that Table Rock is releasing 60,000 cfs? Is that correct? that is more than 2011 and will be a record. Can some of you down there go get pictures of the landing etc. Its my only way to really gauge what its like.

I am amazed that this happens again and again after 50 years of no events. Huge rains here in the dallas area headed your way. Unbelievable. Prayers to those involved.
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Old 04-29-2017, 05:44 PM   #59
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My aunts friends from Arkansas who have lived there all their lives said this is the worst they have ever seen. I guess just too much rain to really prepare for in those hills. Tornado hit I20 east of Dallas. Cars all over the ditches many pp. still trapped. up to 40 cars. Stilll moving NE from Canton.
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Old 04-29-2017, 06:24 PM   #60
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City of Branson Government
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Lake Taneycomo has RISEN 3 FEET IN ONE HOUR, from 708 to 711. (e.g. the boardwalk is 714). Please follow instructions of emergency workers and rescue personnel to evacuate!
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