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Old 06-09-2017, 06:50 AM   #136
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-.01 per day leaving Beaver.
.2 per day leaving TRL
.13 per day leaving Bull Shoals

Being on the dock by the 4th of July, if it doesn't rain more, is unlikely.
Any theory on why they're holding the water? IIRC - seems like in either the 2011 or 2015 event it had to do with levels on the Mississippi?

We have a gangway repair that needs to be done, but the repair guy cant do it until he can set the wheels on dry land. I hope he stays in business that long
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Old 06-09-2017, 07:08 AM   #137
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Wheels on dry land is what I'm looking forward to. I have repairs to do, too.

As has been mentioned, some docks have enough clearing to be able to come up the bank, but ours doesn't.
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Old 06-09-2017, 04:23 PM   #138
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Any theory on why they're holding the water? IIRC - seems like in either the 2011 or 2015 event it had to do with levels on the Mississippi?

We have a gangway repair that needs to be done, but the repair guy cant do it until he can set the wheels on dry land. I hope he stays in business that long
Possibly because of the damaged air bladder at Powersite dam. With the bladder malfunctioning half the gates are down letting lots of water flow into Bull Shoals. In order to repair the bladder, the level of Bull Shoals needs to be quite a bit lower than it is now. So does Taneycomo, so watch for low water on Taneycomo as soon as Bull Shoals drops.
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Old 06-14-2017, 08:18 AM   #139
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Can y'all get on your docks at 925?
No.

14JUN2017 0800 924.48
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Old 06-16-2017, 06:29 AM   #140
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Here's the current version of pool history:

http://www.swl.usace.army.mil/Portal...%20Rock%20.pdf

Here's the lows and highs of the last few years:

01/05/2008 910.22 04/12/2008 933.25
12/25/2009 912.20 10/11/2009 922.91
12/30/2010 908.89 05/21/2010 918.89
02/08/2011 906.13 04/27/2011 935.46
12/31/2012 905.13 03/31/2012 916.70
01/24/2013 904.47 08/09/2013 920.14
12/17/2014 909.41 06/16/2014 917.21
02/10/2015 908.73 12/29/2015 933.22
12/31/2016 907.65 01/01/2016 930.98

You can add the 2017 high (hopefully): 05/01/2017 934.53
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Old 06-16-2017, 11:15 AM   #141
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Here's the current version of pool history:

http://www.swl.usace.army.mil/Portal...%20Rock%20.pdf

Here's the lows and highs of the last few years:

01/05/2008 910.22 04/12/2008 933.25
12/25/2009 912.20 10/11/2009 922.91
12/30/2010 908.89 05/21/2010 918.89
02/08/2011 906.13 04/27/2011 935.46
12/31/2012 905.13 03/31/2012 916.70
01/24/2013 904.47 08/09/2013 920.14
12/17/2014 909.41 06/16/2014 917.21
02/10/2015 908.73 12/29/2015 933.22
12/31/2016 907.65 01/01/2016 930.98

You can add the 2017 high (hopefully): 05/01/2017 934.53
Amazing! Every few years a flood control reservoir is used to actually
control flooding on the White River!
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Old 06-16-2017, 02:36 PM   #142
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I guarantee the people throught the White River reagon that don't get flooded out every spring appriciate controlled flooding. Maybe somo e has to move their dock back and forth. Maybe people who were foolish enough to build houses on the hroumd in low areas directly below a flood control dam all habe a
But not towns all along the river that now has a lot more protecton from flooding than they did.
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Old 06-16-2017, 04:19 PM   #143
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If people decided to buy on a flood control project lake, or below a dam built for flood control without first researching every possobilitu they have no room to complain about how the CoE operates the project. Just like if you build in the unprotected flood plain of a river.
Even levee protected areas should be looked at with caution. A good example right here in the St. Louis area is the Chesterfield valley. Known as Gumbo bottoms when I grew up in pre-levee days. They can build what ever year levees they want, but when it comes time the river will take what it wants! The same can be said pf the ateas "protected" by flood control projects. But they give us the best chance of limiting thr floods.
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Old 06-21-2017, 03:56 PM   #144
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Might be holding back water a Table Rock wben Bull Shoals gets low enough for the bladder repairs at Powersite. They are going to have to lower Taneycomo about 4' below normal, no generation level. Only a day or so though.
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Old 06-23-2017, 06:22 AM   #145
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It varies slightly at different time of the year, but, generally speaking, the total 3-lake cushion between operating pool and flood stage is around 55 feet.

15-foot cushion still.

It's confusing that when we had that last heavy rain, the lake levels were not affected, and now that we've had a period with no rain, the lake levels are also not affected as much as you would think.

Beaver, for instance, is still just 1 1/2 feet under Flood stage.

The bottom line is that we are staying vulnerable for an extended period . . . something like Cindy tracking a little different and . . .
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Old 06-23-2017, 08:34 AM   #146
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It's confusing that when we had that last heavy rain, the lake levels were not affected, and now that we've had a period with no rain, the lake levels are also not affected as much as you would think.
The Memorial Day weekend flash flood?
Very isolated heavy rain below the Table Rock watershed. Hit Taneycomo hard with a 4' raise very quickly. Danna's, andFall Creek resort among other properties flooded. A van with five people washed off of Fall Creek Rd. Into Cooper Creek with three lives lost. Numerous cars washed away from the used car lot on Fall Creek Rd. Five of them still in Taneycomo just below the mouth of Fall Creek.
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The entire White river is a system. If the river below Bull Shoals, and even the Mississippi where the White dumps in are high, and not able to take a lot of water, they will hold back on releases. I haven't checked to see what the White river below Bull Shoals is doing, but my guess based on a lot of other rivers in the area is that it is high.
As I mentioned in a previous post they need to get Bull Shoals down to make repairs to Powersite. I'm sure if they could drop it quicker they would.
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Old 06-23-2017, 10:12 AM   #148
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The entire White river is a system. If the river below Bull Shoals, and even the Mississippi where the White dumps in are high, and not able to take a lot of water, they will hold back on releases. I haven't checked to see what the White river below Bull Shoals is doing, but my guess based on a lot of other rivers in the area is that it is high.
As I mentioned in a previous post they need to get Bull Shoals down to make repairs to Powersite. I'm sure if they could drop it quicker they would.
Just guessing? Should we go find a White River gauge? . . . .

Here's the gauge at Calico Rock, which takes into account Norfork, too:

https://waterdata.usgs.gov/usa/nwis/uv?07060500

Flood Stage is 19 feet, and it's been run 6-8 feet, m/l.

Here's is the official statement on release policy:

http://www.swl-wc.usace.army.mil/pag...WR_FAQ.htm#WR8

Anyway, my conclusion is I don't why more isn't being released from "our" lakes.
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Anyway, my conclusion is I don't why more isn't being released from "our" lakes.
Maybe because the lower White river is still above, or just now getting to flood stage. With the remnants of the tropical storm, it might be some time before the White is down enough to take a significant increase of flow from "up North"
http://water.weather.gov/ahps2/hydro...lzk&gage=clda4
That cluster of yellow, orange, and red dots in the Mississippi delta makes me think they don't want a bunch of extra water down there either.
http://www.weather.gov/lmrfc/obsfcst...ppi_riverwatch
When you release a bunch of water from the upper White river, where do it go? South to the Missisdippi, and the delta.
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Amazing! Every few years a flood control reservoir is used to actually
control flooding on the White River!
Actually, that is said so often that the belief has generally been that the lakes are exclusively for flood control.

Even though I have been guilty of saying that occasionally, that is not the case.

In the USACE's release of the draft for the Shoreline Management Plan, it was stated that the lakes are not just for flood control. They are for five purposes, the other four being hydroelectric power, recreational use, wildlife and fishing, and a water supply for the Shepherd of the Hills Hatchery.

No particular preference was given for any of the five purposes. So, decisions made for any of the purposes would be made with consideration of the impact on the others.

In reality, flood control is a prominent purpose only when there is a cause for concern about flood control, whereas the other purposes are every-day, year-round concerns.
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