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Old 05-11-2017, 07:22 AM   #91
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When I've been in the woods near the lake I've made a point of looking down, and around, because snakes are in places they normally aren't.

I also know that a lot of people call any snake they see in water a Cottonmouth, even when it's a harmless water snake.

Yes I took dogter for a swim swim on the flooded road leading down to the boat ramp, and just as we got there a HUGE Cottonmouth swam across the road right in front of us.

Oh yeah, that's right, there are no Cottonmouths on TRL

Remember about two years ago when the guy wading in the James upstream from TR was bitten twice by a Cottonmouth ? Unfortunately, rather than go to the ER he went home and went to sleep and died during the night.

Don't know who claimed there are no Cottonmouths in TR but they were nuts. Supposedly a person can tell a common watersnake from a venomous or land based snake by whether they are swimming on top of the water or mostly submerged. Knowing how Cottonmouths are always around water and spend so much time in it I wonder if that applies to them ?

I suppose because it's breeding season we've been seeing several big Black Snakes in the yard and on the roads lately and we welcome them because they will kill and eat Cottonmouths, Copperheads and Rattlers as well as the rodents.
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Old 05-11-2017, 07:42 AM   #92
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Don't know who claimed there are no Cottonmouths in TR but they were nuts. Supposedly a person can tell a common watersnake from a venomous or land based snake by whether they are swimming on top of the water or mostly submerged.
Every time I see a cottonmouth now I recall the James River doofus.

Because she is from there, DW and I spent a lot of time at our/family place on the Eleven Point River at Myrtle Access, about a mile from the Arkansas line. I had a little floaty-boat, and would put in at the access above the cabin and float fish down to it. I could get back into the sloughs where everyone's "jet-drives" couldn't go.

It's how they sit totally on top of the water, the thickness of their bodies, and their attitude that, from a distance, separates them from a common water snake.

When we retired, before we entered our next careers, we spent almost every afternoon on the lake, me fishing the banks and DW reading a book. I kept seeing a cottonmouth back in Mill Creek, and one day a houseboat was tied up there. The guy said they had a stringer of fish and watched a cottonmouth come up and take them.

I contacted the local MDC agent, and he said there are no cottonmouths in TRL. So, there you have it.

Having said all that, all snakes in Missouri are protected.

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Old 05-11-2017, 08:11 AM   #93
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Every time I see a cottonmouth now I recall the James River doofus.

Because she is from there, DW and I spent a lot of time at our/family place on the Eleven Point River at Myrtle Access, about a mile from the Arkansas line. I had a little floaty-boat, and would put in at the access above the cabin and float fish down to it. I could get back into the sloughs where everyone's "jet-drives" couldn't go.

It's how they sit totally on top of the water, the thickness of their bodies, and their attitude that, from a distance, separates them from a common water snake.

When we retired, before we entered our next careers, we spent almost every afternoon on the lake, me fishing the banks and DW reading a book. I kept seeing a cottonmouth back in Mill Creek, and one day a houseboat was tied up there. The guy said they had a stringer of fish and watched a cottonmouth come up and take them.

I contacted the local MDC agent, and he said there are no cottonmouths in TRL. So, there you have it.

Having said all that, all snakes in Missouri are protected.
"Protected" ? Really ? Did not realize that !

I guess the big Timber Rattler that put the man in Lampe in the Hospital for two weeks a few years ago fits in that "class" too ? That one got in the lower level of his home and they can "shove" that "protected" status if they've made it inside.

Guys with "fish boxes" down at the Marina have had the very common and numerous Brown Water Snakes get in them but they don't get all that big and can't swallow a large fish. Like most, I've had them swim right up to the boat and had to chase them and know they're harmless but it's still unnerving !
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Old 05-11-2017, 10:51 AM   #94
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I contacted the local MDC agent, and he said there are no cottonmouths in TRL. So, there you have it.
The same geniuses that have denied there being bears, and mountain lions in Missouri for many years. Until trail camera, and law enforcement sightings made positive identification, and they could no longer lie about their presence.
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Old 05-11-2017, 08:48 PM   #95
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Now, back to the lake. Looks like still releasing 13,800 cfs through the gates, but they have cut the generation back to two units for an additional 5900. TR still hovering around that 929.
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Old 05-12-2017, 07:16 AM   #96
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We dodged another bullet. Widespread 5" storm total around Chanute.

Lesser around Springfield/Branson/NW AR. The James is 9790 cfs, and ticked back up a bit late last night.

Gloomy day today.
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Now, back to the lake. Looks like still releasing 13,800 cfs through the gates, but they have cut the generation back to two units for an additional 5900. TR still hovering around that 929.
19000-22000 cfs total

12MAY2017 0800 928.91
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Old 05-12-2017, 10:24 AM   #98
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Sure been doing a good job of stocking Taneycomo with fish not always common in that lake. The daughter of a friend caught her first smallmouth bass the other day. At Branson Landing!!!!
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Old 05-16-2017, 02:48 PM   #99
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16may2017 1500 927.59

With the amount of release being reduced, the drop will be slower now. Maybe like a foot a week.

I had originally guessed sometime in June before our docks would be connected to land again.

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Old 05-17-2017, 11:17 AM   #100
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WARNING!!!!!

Lakewise, we're not out of the woods yet, both literally and figuratively.

Beaver Lake is still just a foot under Flood Stage, with very little being released, so very little being done to make room there.

TRL greatly reduced it's release, and lowering it can only be described as snail's pace at this point. It is more than 10 feet over normal pool, and only 3 1/2 feet from Flood Stage.

There's a reason why TRL release has been curtailed . . .

. . . Bull Shoals no longer has that 30 foot, or even that 15 foot, cushion it had a month ago. It is now 30 feet over normal pool and just 2 1/2 feet from Flood Stage.

ATTENTION: Bull Shoals is currently releasing water from the flood pool.

Right now we are at a much more dangerous point than a month ago, before the rain, when the lakes had some cushion. There is no cushion anywhere right now.

So, don't put your guard down.

One significant act of nature, and we're not just right back to where we were two weeks ago. We're at a much worse point. If 30 days ago the levels were where they are now, it would have been the 100 year flood, and that auxillary spillway would have gotten a serious workout, leading to disastrous consequences below the Table Rock dam.

Add another factor, that we're now into lake season, so a lot more people will be on them.

You can betcha there's a bunch of crossed fingers, and prayers.

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Old 05-18-2017, 06:59 AM   #101
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Top Flood Pool: 1130.0

16MAY2017 2000 1128.72
18MAY2017 0700 1128.74

In the three lakes today there is a grand total of just of about 8 feet, combined, below flood stage.

As we've seen many times, that is just one day of heavy rain.

It seems to me that there is a lack of of public awareness to this very dangerous predicament, for good reason.


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Seen maps yesterday predicting 3"~4" for SE KS today and tomorrow. That's not SW MO or NW AR but should it drift that direction....
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Old 05-18-2017, 08:30 AM   #102
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What I am trying to say, I guess, is that there are some things that the public perception of which would tend to put them at ease when they should not be.

For instance, the "Low Water Warning" of February 2, 2017, my response to which was "No, not low enough." Unfortunately that proved to be prophetic.

In this thread, you can read my "contemporaneous memos" as to why that was.

Now, this week, the announcement is that release from TRL has been curtailed, with no further explanation.

The public perception of that announcement would be that the public can relax, the danger is over, folks can return to clean up their flood plain homes, folks have time to get all their flood-damaged personal property hauled away, and those still living in tents can concentrate on getting FEMA to help them.

I posted the truth of our current situation, the real reason why release from TRL has been curtailed, on the "announcement thread", and it was deleted.

The truth is that release from TRL has been curtailed because that 30-foot cushion in Bull Shoals is no longer there, not because the danger has past.

The truth is that there is virtually no room for any more rain in any of the lakes, the worst situation we've been in this year.

The facts lead where they may.

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Old 05-18-2017, 09:30 AM   #103
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Area Forecast Discussion
National Weather Service Springfield MO
631 AM CDT Thu May 18 2017

. . . . . . .
LONG TERM...(Friday through Wednesday)
Issued at 249 AM CDT Thu May 18 2017
. . . . . .
Roughly, we are going with around 1-3 inches of rainfall with this
system, although some areas may see less, and if training of
storms can occur, some locations more. The heavy rain potential on
top of high water tables from the recent flooding rains earlier in
the month will likely lead to some additional flooding along area
streams, rivers, creeks and low lying flood prone areas. However,
the flooding is not expected to be anywhere near what we had a
couple of weeks ago.
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Old 05-19-2017, 06:27 AM   #104
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We were spared last night.

3" storm total in the Springfield radar loop, but not in our watershed.

5" in the Topeka area.

Noisy squall line going through right now, but more bark than bite.

More on the way . . . just depends on the amount of precip.

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Old 05-19-2017, 06:39 AM   #105
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Last night's T-Storms and all the local Tornado warnings only produced 0.11" of rain in our little gauge.

A mild T-Storm going on right now but unaccompanied by the warnings and high winds but NWS Springfield has issued flash flood "watch" for Barry, Lawrence and Stone Counties thru Sat. 5-20.

Very noticeable yesterday while mowing that there was actually a fair amount of dust being blown about by the mowers (surprise, surprise !) so maybe our soil can absorb some of this precip. without instantly producing heavy run-off.

926.87 msl at 0700 5-19.
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