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Old 06-01-2017, 03:38 PM   #121
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Just now at the dam. ALL gates closed.
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Old 06-01-2017, 05:41 PM   #122
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They must have brought the fourth turbine on line. The Corps website says 3,200 cfs through the gates, and 9,600 through the turbines. There was o e gate with a very small amount of water coming through. Don't know what it takes for 3,200 cfs, but it looked more like it was just a little while the gate was closing. I was there less than two hours before, and the five were still running strong. The tailwater is now the same, or slightly higher than it was before they closed the gates.
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Old 06-03-2017, 07:10 PM   #123
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Well, considering the forecast for the past four days. Both long range from a week ago, and daily for the past four days. Do you believe ANY of them?
Storms every evening, rain and storms Friday. HA!!! It was one of the most beautiful four day visits to Branson I have had. Beautiful every day.
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Old 06-05-2017, 02:52 PM   #124
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Beaver's still less than a foot from flood stage. The James and Kings are up, feeding TRL.

About an 11-foot 3-lake cushion right now.

I saw one of the P Cox's yesterday and he said something about the lake level and having to deal with that the last couple of months. I said I hadn't looked, but it felt like about 926. He looked at his phone and said, "Yup, 926.0."

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Old 06-07-2017, 07:30 AM   #125
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Amazingly little water going anywhere right now.

Seems to be pretty much on Hold.

About an 11-foot cushion.
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For those who are new here, for years we have discussed the level of Table Rock Lake. Because Beaver Lake, TRL, and Bull Shoals work together and the total of the three more truly represents where we're at, I am going to reference the "Three Lake Total" as much as I can, rather than focusing on just TRL.

My "cushion" represents the amount of available capacity below flood stage for the total of the three lakes.

It varies slightly at different time of the year, but, generally speaking, the total 3-lake cushion between operating pool and flood stage is around 55 feet.

In 2008, 2011, 2015, and 2017, that entire "cushion" was lost by significant, ongoing precipitation in as short as two weeks, and flooding occurred.

So, in the last ten years, four of them saw flooding situations. Those events are all documented on this forum if you use the "Search" feature.

I know it just seems like common sense, but I believe that the more of a cushion that is maintained prior to the annual rainy season, the better off things are.
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Old 06-09-2017, 07:50 AM   #126
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-.01 per day leaving Beaver.
.2 per day leaving TRL
.13 per day leaving Bull Shoals

Being on the dock by the 4th of July, if it doesn't rain more, is unlikely.
Any theory on why they're holding the water? IIRC - seems like in either the 2011 or 2015 event it had to do with levels on the Mississippi?

We have a gangway repair that needs to be done, but the repair guy cant do it until he can set the wheels on dry land. I hope he stays in business that long
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Old 06-09-2017, 08:08 AM   #127
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Wheels on dry land is what I'm looking forward to. I have repairs to do, too.

As has been mentioned, some docks have enough clearing to be able to come up the bank, but ours doesn't.
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Old 06-09-2017, 05:23 PM   #128
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Any theory on why they're holding the water? IIRC - seems like in either the 2011 or 2015 event it had to do with levels on the Mississippi?

We have a gangway repair that needs to be done, but the repair guy cant do it until he can set the wheels on dry land. I hope he stays in business that long
Possibly because of the damaged air bladder at Powersite dam. With the bladder malfunctioning half the gates are down letting lots of water flow into Bull Shoals. In order to repair the bladder, the level of Bull Shoals needs to be quite a bit lower than it is now. So does Taneycomo, so watch for low water on Taneycomo as soon as Bull Shoals drops.
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Old 06-14-2017, 09:18 AM   #129
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Can y'all get on your docks at 925?
No.

14JUN2017 0800 924.48
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Old 06-16-2017, 07:29 AM   #130
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Here's the current version of pool history:

http://www.swl.usace.army.mil/Portal...%20Rock%20.pdf

Here's the lows and highs of the last few years:

01/05/2008 910.22 04/12/2008 933.25
12/25/2009 912.20 10/11/2009 922.91
12/30/2010 908.89 05/21/2010 918.89
02/08/2011 906.13 04/27/2011 935.46
12/31/2012 905.13 03/31/2012 916.70
01/24/2013 904.47 08/09/2013 920.14
12/17/2014 909.41 06/16/2014 917.21
02/10/2015 908.73 12/29/2015 933.22
12/31/2016 907.65 01/01/2016 930.98

You can add the 2017 high (hopefully): 05/01/2017 934.53

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Old 06-16-2017, 12:15 PM   #131
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Here's the current version of pool history:

http://www.swl.usace.army.mil/Portal...%20Rock%20.pdf

Here's the lows and highs of the last few years:

01/05/2008 910.22 04/12/2008 933.25
12/25/2009 912.20 10/11/2009 922.91
12/30/2010 908.89 05/21/2010 918.89
02/08/2011 906.13 04/27/2011 935.46
12/31/2012 905.13 03/31/2012 916.70
01/24/2013 904.47 08/09/2013 920.14
12/17/2014 909.41 06/16/2014 917.21
02/10/2015 908.73 12/29/2015 933.22
12/31/2016 907.65 01/01/2016 930.98

You can add the 2017 high (hopefully): 05/01/2017 934.53
Amazing! Every few years a flood control reservoir is used to actually
control flooding on the White River!
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Old 06-16-2017, 03:36 PM   #132
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I guarantee the people throught the White River reagon that don't get flooded out every spring appriciate controlled flooding. Maybe somo e has to move their dock back and forth. Maybe people who were foolish enough to build houses on the hroumd in low areas directly below a flood control dam all habe a
But not towns all along the river that now has a lot more protecton from flooding than they did.
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Old 06-16-2017, 05:19 PM   #133
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If people decided to buy on a flood control project lake, or below a dam built for flood control without first researching every possobilitu they have no room to complain about how the CoE operates the project. Just like if you build in the unprotected flood plain of a river.
Even levee protected areas should be looked at with caution. A good example right here in the St. Louis area is the Chesterfield valley. Known as Gumbo bottoms when I grew up in pre-levee days. They can build what ever year levees they want, but when it comes time the river will take what it wants! The same can be said pf the ateas "protected" by flood control projects. But they give us the best chance of limiting thr floods.
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Old 06-21-2017, 04:56 PM   #134
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Might be holding back water a Table Rock wben Bull Shoals gets low enough for the bladder repairs at Powersite. They are going to have to lower Taneycomo about 4' below normal, no generation level. Only a day or so though.
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Old 06-23-2017, 07:22 AM   #135
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It varies slightly at different time of the year, but, generally speaking, the total 3-lake cushion between operating pool and flood stage is around 55 feet.

15-foot cushion still.

It's confusing that when we had that last heavy rain, the lake levels were not affected, and now that we've had a period with no rain, the lake levels are also not affected as much as you would think.

Beaver, for instance, is still just 1 1/2 feet under Flood stage.

The bottom line is that we are staying vulnerable for an extended period . . . something like Cindy tracking a little different and . . .
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