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Old 05-31-2019, 04:11 PM   #1
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BRANSON, Mo. -- We first told you about plans to conduct a comprehensive study of Branson's live theater industry last year as part of the Branson Chamber of Commerce "five in five initiative." well, the chamber has launched that almost 100,000 dollar study.
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Old 06-08-2019, 08:13 AM   #2
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shoot we could have saved them a 100,000.00 all they had to do was come here and ask.
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Old 06-08-2019, 08:42 AM   #3
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Way to go Branson C of C. $100K for a consultant's study.
Consultant, (definition); a person from out of town who charges you an unconscionable sum of money to muck around in your business and then tell you what you already knew but relieves you of the responsibility of making a decision. (see political boondoggle)
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Old 06-08-2019, 08:56 AM   #4
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Old 06-09-2019, 04:25 PM   #5
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what a joke.
That is an understatement. This is what people do who don’t want to be held accountable for their decisions. They spend money on research, focus groups, etc., and then if things don’t work they point to the research study to say it wasn’t their fault, they were just going on what the “research” indicated.

This is a colossal waste of the tax dollars that our ticket sales generate, and we will be making a major announcement about our future in Branson later this year. There should be a mass resignation of chamber membership, and anyone whose tax dollars go to fund the Chamber should be very vocal about this continual waste of money. I have voiced my comments directly to the president of the organization and because the first thing I suggested is his immediate resignation, for some reason they have not implemented any of my ideas. Hard to figure. Remember, this is the same guy who thought the “Richard Branson/let’s make a joke of the town by pretending he is doing business here April fools joke” was a good idea. To this day he defends it because it got a lot of social media hits for the town. That’s like saying the duck boat tragedy was good for the town because it got a lot of hits for Branson on social media.
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Old 06-09-2019, 07:15 PM   #6
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Looking to bring more tourists to Branson.
I can do the study for a hundred bucks, and save them $90,900
Use the money left over after I get my hundred bucks to start a lobby effort for a casino!!!!!
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Old 06-10-2019, 08:29 AM   #7
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So the Branson C of C wants to "bring more people to Branson"...ok, good enough. But the question is, WHO do they want to come here in masses? What age demographic?

For a more or less "one stop shopping" kind of thing, there are only a few shows that qualify, that being The Haygoods, Rick Thomas, and Clay Cooper. Those three are the "big guns" as it were, in Branson today. But, they don't please everyone, as The Haygoods are deemed "too loud", "too raccaous", and "too modern" by many of the really older generation, and not trendy enough for the youngest. Not everyone likes Clay Cooper and country music...and many don't care for magic/illusion for their entertainment. So, again, it begs the question, WHO do they want to "come to Branson"??

For the "oldest" demographic, lets say, hmm, 70+, well, for all practical purposes, the entertainment for them have kinda moved on, for the most part. No more big band/swing music such as there used to be, like the Glenn Miller Orchestra, Lennon Brothers, and Lawrence Welk Orchestra. Red Hot and Blue are gone (but even so, in the last few years they did perform, they took out most of the formerly popular 20's, 30's, and 40's numbers, and put more 50's 60's 70's 80's and 90's in their show). Only one or two 50's/.60's rock and roll shows left, and they are putting LESS of those decades in, and more 70's and 80's music in it's place. And their favorite country stars are long gone from the Branson scene, mostly cause they are long gone from planet earth! And not too many quality tribute shows around town are doing that type of music anymore. They just can't pull a good crowd with it.

For the "50-65" years of age group, yea, as for as country music is concerned, there are quite a few smaller tribute shows performing George Strait, Kenny Rogers, etc..on the rock side, an ABBA act, from time to time maybe a Three Dog Night, Beach Boys, Rolling Stones or things like that will pop up every now and then...but never in one of the largest theatres, just the small ones...which for many tourists, they are not aware of due to advertising budgets of the smaller venues. Barry Williams and his fun "Brady Bunch" reminisce show is gone..Plus, this demographic does not have the retirement packages, mainly military, that the former older one did. If they are lucky, they have a limited 401k, which they must manage ever so carefully due to tax considerations, and they don't receive a monthly "retirement" check from either the military, nor a large corporation, as was much more common for the older generation.

The 30-50 age group? Well, they are much busier raising families, more bills with the high costs of vehicles, school activities, and with more demanding children than in times past, which translates into having less disposable income to take as many vacations, so when they DO go on vac, they usually choose either a "major" destination such as Disney, or they dump the kids on Gramps and Granny, and escape to Vegas for a few days of R and R...As far as their musical tastes go, well, Starlite attempted to accomodate their preferred country music type, with Billy Dean and Steel Horses and a more "modern" country. Not there any more....And not many, if any shows in town are doing tribute acts of Hall and Oates, Oasis, Mariah Carey, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Foo Fighters, Tears for Fears, Wham, George Michaels, etc...

And finally, the 15-30 demographic? Well, unless the city is ready to embrace with open arms lots of inner city Hip Hop acts such as Eminem, Rihanna, Jay-Z...or more mainstream like Bruno Mars, Imagine Dragons, Pink, Katy Perry, Justin Tiberlake, Justin Beiber, etc, they won't be a factor in Branson! Their country tastes would seem to be a little easier for the pallet of the Chamber to accept, being artists such as Taylor Swift, Miley Cyrus, Blake Shelton, Big and Rich, Luke Bryan, etc. But, and it's a BIG BUT...these performers, while doing various and many touring concerts around the USA, and elsewhere, are not anyway interested in "retiring" to Branson and opening a theatre, or headling one, IMO, as happened in the late 70's-early 90's with some big country performers. Just not gonna happen! I also am quite certain that this age demographic will NOT be interested in seeing any "tribute" acts of their fav artists....they will either go to a concert and see the "REAL THING" at at a fairly nearby city such as St Louis, Kansas City, Little Rock, Tulsa, etc..or not go to anything. So, this age demographic can be problematic to the City of Branson Tourist department...only solution is to get these artists into town from time to time to do a "one night stand" as it were..while they are traveling from Point A to Point B...and Branson falls somewhere in between those two destinations. And as a couple area promotors are actually doing now! But....that will only get this age bracket of tourists into town for that night, and maybe the next day, then they are gone...and most likely not to return until the next act comes in for a single performance. They will not be driving/flying into Branson every weekend or so, as so many others have done for many years....and again, this poses problems for the C of C.

So, what's left to draw in new people in large enough quantities to positively affect the bottom line? Has to be outside of music venues, I think. And hence we have had major expansions of SDC and it's thrill rides...the ongoing Aquarium...the new Skyscraper...the Ferris Wheel...Bigfoot...All these are an effort to draw in more people in general, and specifically the YOUNGER population. But there must be more...I am not sure what, but it will have to be BIG and UNUSUAL...enough so to really pique the interest of a generation that for the most part, is not inclined to be motivated to do a whole lot of anything!

So....what CAN that "Something" be??? Maybe the 100 Grand that was just spent will birth it...or maybe one of us "simple folks" can, for free, tell the Branson Chamber of Commerce Tourist group what will work. But will they listen to a bona fide, FREE, idea that not only makes sense upon discussion, but will actually "pencil" as well??? I am not sure...
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Old 06-11-2019, 05:58 PM   #8
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Maybe a bit of a rebel here. At least not adhering to your demographic. In that upper age group the only two shows I go to are Haygoods (could actually be louder, like a concert) and Clay Cooper's Country Express (not nearly as "country" as the name implies)
I have to disagree with you about the Haygoods not being "trendy enough". They seem to play to packed houses, with a lot of younger fans in attendence.
I probably couldn't sit through the Baldknobbers, Presleys, or anything with "Jubilee, or Jamboree in the name.
The only other shows we go to maybe once a year each is the Branson Belle, and Dixie Stampede (yes I said Dixie, probably why I have no plans to go).
What I would like to see in Branson is the Branson Alley project built. With restaurants, and clubs like Beale Street in Memphis. Bring in some good Blues, and Rock groups, and have some great house bands to fill in. Maybe even coax Julie C Myers back for some Nearly Nix shows.
Oh for the days of Thirst and Howell at the Outback Pub, Michelle McBride at the Rowdy Beaver, and the Mud Hounds at Beverly's Steakhouse & Saloon!
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Old 06-12-2019, 03:34 PM   #9
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What I would like to see in Branson is the Branson Alley project built. With restaurants, and clubs like Beale Street in Memphis. Bring in some good Blues, and Rock groups, and have some great house bands to fill in. Maybe even coax Julie C Myers back for some Nearly Nix shows. Oh for the days of Thirst and Howell at the Outback Pub, Michelle McBride at the Rowdy Beaver, and the Mud Hounds at Beverly's Steakhouse & Saloon!
I agree with just about everything listed here. But the reality of the situation is - it's highly unlikely to happen. The support just isn't there. Look at what happened with the Steampunk Pub and Grill, and the theater above it. There were some really talented bands playing at Steampunk, and I didn't see it but heard the Stevie Nix show was great, but it just didn't work. No crowds. Why? Your guess is as good as mine. As far as Beale Street thing and Blues bands? I'd love to see it but I'm afraid it would suffer the same fate as Steampunk. And for the record, The Mud Hounds are history. There are no Blues bands consistently playing in Branson area at this time. You'll see Nathan Bryce at Cheeky Monkey now and then, but that's it. I can say that Brad Williams and The Dancehall Prophets are the best band playing locally that I'm aware of. They do a good mix of classic rock, blues, etc. To my knowledge, other than Waxy's and Paddlewheel, there are no really successful after hours live music spots in Branson right now. I'd say Outback is hit and miss for live music. The Branson Alley thing might work if some franchise like House of Blues or Bottleneck Blues Bar came in but even then, I'd still say it's a huge financial gamble in Branson. But this $100k "study"? Well, someone is laughing all the way to the bank.

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Old 06-12-2019, 07:22 PM   #10
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Maybe a bit of a rebel here. At least not adhering to your demographic. In that upper age group the only two shows I go to are Haygoods (could actually be louder, like a concert) and Clay Cooper's Country Express (not nearly as "country" as the name implies)
I have to disagree with you about the Haygoods not being "trendy enough". They seem to play to packed houses, with a lot of younger fans in attendence.
I probably couldn't sit through the Baldknobbers, Presleys, or anything with "Jubilee, or Jamboree in the name.
The only other shows we go to maybe once a year each is the Branson Belle, and Dixie Stampede (yes I said Dixie, probably why I have no plans to go).
What I would like to see in Branson is the Branson Alley project built. With restaurants, and clubs like Beale Street in Memphis. Bring in some good Blues, and Rock groups, and have some great house bands to fill in. Maybe even coax Julie C Myers back for some Nearly Nix shows.
Oh for the days of Thirst and Howell at the Outback Pub, Michelle McBride at the Rowdy Beaver, and the Mud Hounds at Beverly's Steakhouse & Saloon!
RJ, you know I agree with you 100% about The 'Goods.. doesnt get any better than that family in Branson. There is a reason they sell out over 80% of their shows...

As far as your comment about "Jubilee or Jamboree". How long since you have seen gran Jubilee at Grand Country. Mike goes to a lot of work to change his show up every here. I DONT do country AT ALL, but I enjoy his show..

Julie Myers.... Wish we had her back, I think her downfall was the promotion and advertising to here show.. Along with her "story" line of the show.. Just get up there sing us 90 minutes of songs and let's go!!!

Branson Alley? For me? Only IF they for sure have some Rock and Roll based Bar/venue, And a couple of NON-Country Home style breweries...
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You're probably right. But I think Steampunk, and subsequently the Dream Theater had other problems. As discussed here on 1b before they closed. A change in management, and attempt to get a different demographic totally ruened the whole vibe of the place.
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You're probably right. But I think Steampunk, and subsequently the Dream Theater had other problems. As discussed here on 1b before they closed. A change in management, and attempt to get a different demographic totally ruened the whole vibe of the place.
OH!! No doubt!!
As soon as they let that other bunch in there from the other bar... it was OVER!!.. we have discussed that before.. too bad.

I really thing that was niche that the town needed...
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