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Old 05-05-2008, 06:10 PM   #46
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My view on timeshare tours. I love them. I will go on them every trip I can and here is why:

If there are any timeshare salesman, you are about to hate me. But I look for timeshare tour vacations anywhere I go. Even Florida. At the very first sales option. I tell them great I will take it. Whatever it is. I sign all the paperwork and am out of there in 15 minutes. I go about my vacation and once I get home I call and cancel. You usually have 14 days to do so. Simple and perfectly legal. We have just expanded our company to Myrtle Beach and I stayed in a 3BR/3BA Condo on the ocean for less than $400.
One thing to keep in mind, contracts are governed by the idea of "good faith." When you sign the contract with the full intent of playing the system and canceling as soon as you get home, you're not acting in good faith. I'm not an attorney, but I'd say you're fraudulently entering into the contract. Do it often enough and you just might find yourself stuck. Maybe a situation will never arise where this could happen, but if it did and they can show that you've repeatedly done this, you're not going to get any sympathy from a judge.
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Old 05-06-2008, 09:00 PM   #47
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We are going to the Wilderness Club timeshare on the 21st. It was such a good deal I couldn't pass it up. I have no problem saying no! With our package we get $75 Bass Pro Gift Card and 2 nights at the Radisson. I think I payed $50 or $70 for the package. Worth it to me. We'll just see how it goes.
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Old 05-06-2008, 09:43 PM   #48
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I don't think dh and I would have any trouble saying NO - my problem is I don't want to give up 2-3 hours of my life to hear someones sales pitch.

The time may come when a timeshare will be a good idea for us - if that happens, we'll shop around to find what works best for us - BUT until I'm ready to buy one, I see no reason to waste my time, or the salesmans time.

To sign the contract to purchase a timeshare, and get the 'deal' knowing, that when you get home you're going to back out of it, is unethical IMO. The fact that it's not against the law doesn't matter. It's not against the law because the law was made to protect the consumer - but in this case, the 'consumer' is deliberately intending to 'take' the timeshare company. I suspect the Attorney General wouldn't approve of the intent.
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Old 05-07-2008, 06:46 AM   #49
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Please understand that Timeshare salespeople do not get paid unless they make a sale. They do not even get minimum wage if they don't get a sale..they get nothing. They are independent contract laborers and that is why they get nothing. So, if you buy and then cancel within your recision period, they will get a chargeback on their check for the gifts and stuff. So the tour ends up costing them money that they would need to feed their family and pay their bills.
Despite how many people paint them out to be, they are not monsters..they are your average...normal people just trying to make a living. That is all.
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Old 05-07-2008, 07:16 AM   #50
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Please understand that Timeshare salespeople do not get paid unless they make a sale. They do not even get minimum wage if they don't get a sale..they get nothing. They are independent contract laborers and that is why they get nothing. So, if you buy and then cancel within your recision period, they will get a chargeback on their check for the gifts and stuff. So the tour ends up costing them money that they would need to feed their family and pay their bills.
Despite how many people paint them out to be, they are not monsters..they are your average...normal people just trying to make a living. That is all.

I appreciate and agree with your comments. On the other hand, these "average, normal people just trying to make a living" should honor the terms of the contract of 90 min. and not abuse the average, normal people on the other side of the table.

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Old 05-07-2008, 07:58 AM   #51
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I don't think dh and I would have any trouble saying NO - my problem is I don't want to give up 2-3 hours of my life to hear someones sales pitch.

The time may come when a timeshare will be a good idea for us - if that happens, we'll shop around to find what works best for us - BUT until I'm ready to buy one, I see no reason to waste my time, or the salesmans time.

To sign the contract to purchase a timeshare, and get the 'deal' knowing, that when you get home you're going to back out of it, is unethical IMO. The fact that it's not against the law doesn't matter. It's not against the law because the law was made to protect the consumer - but in this case, the 'consumer' is deliberately intending to 'take' the timeshare company. I suspect the Attorney General wouldn't approve of the intent.
agree... that's exactly how I feel.... my time on vacation is important to me, I always figure its a half a day shot. the getting thru traffic, the signing in, waiting for it to start then the actual sales pitch followed by the NO THANK YOU'S WE NEED TO GO... then them making one more... then one more try at you, that's not how I want to spend my vacation time.

when I see a time share booth I duck my head and walk the other direction, I think they give Branson a bad name and yet I think one of the lowest things you could do would be to say yes... sign and then go home and cancel it.
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Please understand that Timeshare salespeople do not get paid unless they make a sale. They do not even get minimum wage if they don't get a sale..they get nothing. They are independent contract laborers and that is why they get nothing. So, if you buy and then cancel within your recision period, they will get a chargeback on their check for the gifts and stuff. So the tour ends up costing them money that they would need to feed their family and pay their bills.
Despite how many people paint them out to be, they are not monsters..they are your average...normal people just trying to make a living. That is all.
Very well said!
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I appreciate and agree with your comments. On the other hand, these "average, normal people just trying to make a living" should honor the terms of the contract of 90 min. and not abuse the average, normal people on the other side of the table.
I always kept mine to as close to 90 minutes as possible. But when the people I was presenting the program to had a lot of questions, or kept taking time out to go to the restroom, or refill their drinks, or whatever, the time restraints become impossible to work within.
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I always kept mine to as close to 90 minutes as possible. But when the people I was presenting the program to had a lot of questions, or kept taking time out to go to the restroom, or refill their drinks, or whatever, the time restraints become impossible to work within.
Thank you for explaining this situation. bransoncutie! DH's main concern during conflict is communication, communication, communication. It's really helpful when we can understand why people do what they do. We may not always agree with each other but it's truly a blessing to be willing to hear each other

Since we missed you on the one trip, we still look forward to meeting you some time
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I appreciate and agree with your comments. On the other hand, these "average, normal people just trying to make a living" should honor the terms of the contract of 90 min. and not abuse the average, normal people on the other side of the table.
Not pointing fingers at Preacherman..just using the quote to make a point..

The tour times are approx. 90 minutes...nothing is stopping them from leaving once their 90 minutes is up. Once again, they are grown people making the decision to stay longer than 90 minutes. I know that my company will not hold anyone after 90 minutes if they do not want to stay. If they choose to leave before the 90 minutes is up, they can...it's called a "Bolt". The people on the other side of the table are only being abused if they allow themselves to be abused. (It is a high pressured sales pitch..no different than a car salesman or a telemarketer) I am a grown adult and never would I allow anyone to talk to me rude or manupliate me in any way. If they did, I would leave....period. But, not all timeshare people are evil monsters like people portray them to be. I work with these people 40 plus hours a week. So, for all the people who talk negative toward them, that might have only spent 90 minutes with them or have never been on a tour at all...take it from someone who works with them 40 hours a week. They are no different than you or I..they are human beings trying to make a living.
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Old 05-07-2008, 08:49 AM   #56
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We are going to the Wilderness Club timeshare on the 21st. It was such a good deal I couldn't pass it up. I have no problem saying no! With our package we get $75 Bass Pro Gift Card and 2 nights at the Radisson. I think I payed $50 or $70 for the package. Worth it to me. We'll just see how it goes.
WE did this one a few years ago. It WAS a good deal. Wasn't too bad, although they did keep sending in a 'higher on the totem pole' sales rep to make us a 'better deal' and the pressure got a little high! But we still said "NO"! We took this tour ONLY because we waned to see what Big Cedar had to offer. We won't be taking part in any more timeshare 'thingy's 'cause I've read too many bad, bad stories involving them
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Not pointing fingers at Preacherman..just using the quote to make a point..

The tour times are approx. 90 minutes...nothing is stopping them from leaving once their 90 minutes is up. Once again, they are grown people making the decision to stay longer than 90 minutes. I know that my company will not hold anyone after 90 minutes if they do not want to stay. If they choose to leave before the 90 minutes is up, they can...it's called a "Bolt". The people on the other side of the table are only being abused if they allow themselves to be abused. (It is a high pressured sales pitch..no different than a car salesman or a telemarketer) I am a grown adult and never would I allow anyone to talk to me rude or manupliate me in any way. If they did, I would leave....period. But, not all timeshare people are evil monsters like people portray them to be. I work with these people 40 plus hours a week. So, for all the people who talk negative toward them, that might have only spent 90 minutes with them or have never been on a tour at all...take it from someone who works with them 40 hours a week. They are no different than you or I..they are human beings trying to make a living.
I appreciate what you are saying and I do not take your comments personally.

Our experience was having the floor manager (my term) embarrass us in the whole room, put the palm of his hand right in my face and loudly have us escorted out of the room when we finally felt we had to STOP them. We had tried to be courteous in declining several times. It put a damper on the rest of our trip. I realize this may be an unusual happening but we have heard of many unjust times.
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Old 05-07-2008, 09:46 AM   #58
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It takes a special kind of person to sell timeshares. A smart timeshare salesman shoujld should know going into it, that the company they're going to work for is 'luring' their customers in by offering them show tickets, free rooms, and dinners......... that SHOULD tell them that most of the customers aren't coming to BUY a timeshare. If they wanted to buy, they'd be knocking on the door of the timeshare, and the timeshare wouldn't be offering gifts to get people to come in. IMO, selling timeshares might make more money, but it's not going to be an easy job - Personally, I'd rather, cold call door to door, as to have to hard sell my product.

I'd make a lousy salesman - and I'd be seriously hungry if I were trying to sell timeshares, but some folks really enjoy the challenge. Unfortunately, IMO, if the salesman doesn't 'win' they too will be hungry, unable to pay their own bills, and that would probably make most of us short tempered, and grouchy... realizing we'd wasted our time trying to convince someone to purchase a timeshare, when what they really came for was a free night stay at a hotel, and the show tickets.

I don't see it changing, but wouldn't it be nice, if there were no gimicks - if the info was available to research at home, and you could check out the timeshares from your home, and decide which one fits into your plans... then the customer could make a plan to visit it, and make an offer or purchase the timeshare of their choice. No high pressure sale, no promise of 90 minute meetings, no disappointment in learning that your promise of a 3 night stay meant 3 nights in a 1star hotel instead of at the resort.... I'd bet it would even work out better for the timeshare salesman, they'd spend their time with customers who really wanted their product, and could answer questions that they had, and actually increase the % of salespitch to actual honest sales.
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Old 06-09-2008, 09:12 PM   #59
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Timeshares can be OK

I'm not at all opposed to timeshares. We own about $25K worth of timeshares through the Disney Vacation Club. Like BlueGreen at Big Cedar, we didnít buy a specific week or a specific unit.

We bought a certain number of points that can be used whenever we want throughout the year for any type of unit we want. We have total flexibility. If we want a prime time, we pay more points than off season. If we want a two bedroom unit, we pay more than we would for a studio. But it is always our choice on how we want to allocate our points as far as time of year or accommodations go.

So I don't have a problem with timeshares.

I have a HUGE problem with the Branson timeshare presentation I went to. When we went to the Disney Vacation Club timeshare presentation there was no pressure whatsoever to sign while we were there. I told the salesman that I was not going to spoil our vacation with the stress of making a major decision like that. I said I would review the materials when we got home and would contact them if I was interested. The salesperson did not resist -- in fact we were told that if we decided to purchase within 30 days of our vacation we would be given the same bonus given to people who purchase while on their vacation.

We returned home and within two weeks decided we wanted to go ahead with our purchase. We were able to handle the transaction entirely by mail and it was very trouble-free. We have been very happy with our purchase, and in fact have subsequently purchased additional points through the Disney Vacation Club.

So I'm not opposed to timeshares.

But I HATED our experience with a Branson timeshare presentation. First of all, we were told it would take 90 minutes but it ended up taking over three hours. At the conclusion of the tour the salesperson would NOT take no for an answer, or even accept that we might want a few days to make our decision. Instead when we resisted we were insulted by being told that if we COULD NOT AFFORD to make the purchase described she could perhaps get us into a lower priced program.

At that point I was majorly pissed off. I felt like saying "Honey, I could not only write a check for the timeshare purchase, but I could add your annual income to the price and STILL write a check that would not bounce."

Instead I just tried to get out of there as quickly as possible and vowed to never attend another timeshare presentation in Branson.

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They ARE obnoxious fools that can't make it telling the WHOLE TRUTH" and nothing but the truth about the product and the deal.

Most are searching for some easy route to that pot of gold at the end of some rainbow and are too inept to do it straight up and ethically. Lying and misleading high pressure are the order of the day. They ONLY survive on the human nature tendency of many people (particularly the older folks) to either buy into the bull or their inability to resist it.

One thing is for sure,.....the salespeople are all largely greedy shysters and the marks are greedy as well thinking they'll get something for nothing.
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